Can You Register A Unregistered Gun

by BBJ » 01 May 2019, 12:55 pm

Hey Shrap,

Information technology's not a criminal offense to find a firearm. It happens with some frequency in the circumstance you take outlined, someone finds someone's old rifle that's been locked in the attic for 50 years.

It is to knowingly hang onto an unregistered one though.

Accept information technology to a dealer ASAP (today). They will ship the details to FAR and get it registered on their books.

You practise your PTA and all the normal procedure, and once it'due south good to get they transfer it to your name like a normal transfer.

Or if you don't desire information technology they will sell or dispose of it.

If you take it to the Police I believe your only option is to unconditionally surrender it.

Have it to your dealer.

past Chappo » 01 May 2019, two:06 pm

Mate I'm pretty certain your only selection in NSW is to surrender it to the police.

You could once take it to a dealer and have it registered nether your license or employ an amnesty to do the same but the laws have changed. They could change once again but I think that'south where you lot stand at the moment.

Have a talk with your dealer and permit us know what they say.

past Fellow member-Deleted » 01 May 2019, 3:11 pm

G'day Shrapnel mate i'chiliad in QLD not to sure of your states laws but anyway I found myself in a like situation a bloke found an old 303 in his shed afterwards being left it all in a volition and then he institute this burglarize information technology was unregistered he asked me if I wanted it so I took it to my local police force and told them what I was going to do with it and so I was pointed in the direction of the gun shop they done a notification of the rifle I call back it's merely a cheque to run into if it was stolen then they prepare a PTA for that rifle they keep the rifle until your licence or improver to your licence arrives you have that in and collect your newly acquired burglarize it was very simple simply a wait for paper piece of work hope this tin help

by GojiraSteve » 01 May 2019, 3:35 pm

Chappo wrote:Mate I'thousand pretty sure your only pick in NSW is to surrender it to the constabulary.

You could in one case take it to a dealer and have it registered under your license or utilize an amnesty to exercise the same but the laws have changed.
They could alter again just I recollect that'due south where you stand up at the moment.

Have a talk with your dealer and permit usa know what they say.

Tin can anyone else corroborate this? Seems at odds with the published info from the registry...

https://www.police.nsw.gov.au/__data/as ... ration.pdf

(second page, middle column, quaternary paragraph)

What if I am in possession of an
unregistered firearm?
If y'all are in possession of an
unregistered firearm you MUST
immediately:
* Surrender the firearm to NSW Police
or
* Take it to a licensed Firearms Dealer
who volition arrange for the registration
of the firearm.
The Firearms Dealer will be required to
retain possession of the firearm until
the person is able to produce a current
firearms licence and issued Permit to
Larn, at which time the dealer volition
consummate the 'Observe of Purchase' and
ship this to the Firearms Registry

by Sergeant Hartman » 01 May 2019, 3:50 pm

And that's is why yous shouldn't ask legal questions on online forums. Plus every state usually had different processes.

Best is band upwardly a local dealer or your land police firearm registry as been mentioned and merely all the question from them

past No1_49er » 01 May 2019, 4:08 pm

GojiraSteve wrote:

Chappo wrote:Mate I'm pretty sure your but option in NSW is to give up it to the police.
You could once take it to a dealer and have information technology registered under your license or use an amnesty to do the aforementioned just the laws accept changed.
They could modify again but I think that's where you stand at the moment.
Have a talk with your dealer and let united states of america know what they say.

Can anyone else approve this? Seems at odds with the published info from the registry ...

https://www.police.nsw.gov.au/__data/as ... ration.pdf

(2d page, center column, quaternary paragraph)

What if I am in possession of an unregistered firearm?
If you lot are in possession of an unregistered firearm y'all MUST immediately:
* Give up the firearm to NSW Police
or
* Take information technology to a licensed Firearms Dealer who volition arrange for the registration of the firearm.
The Firearms Dealer will be required to retain possession of the firearm until the person is able to produce a current firearms licence and issued Permit to
Learn, at which fourth dimension the dealer will complete the 'Notice of Purchase' and send this to the Firearms Registry

It appears to be that Chappo is relying on some old memory cells. :lol:

I don't see any demand for corroboration.

Y'all tin can either surrender information technology :thumbsdown: , OR, if yous want is every bit a keeper, exercise exactly equally they say. Accept information technology to your dealer who volition arrive lawful past including it in the NSW Registry, and you lot apply for your PTA :thumbsup:

Like shooting fish in a barrel, either style

by No1_49er » 01 May 2019, 4:12 pm

Ziad wrote:And that's is why yous shouldn't inquire legal questions on online forums. Plus every land usually had different processes.

All-time is ring up a local dealer or your state law firearm registry equally been mentioned and just all the question from them

The text in the quote to a higher place is taken straight from the NSW document, and OP is request a NSW question.

I would call back that phoning registry will provide a reiteration of said certificate.

It is what it is.

by VICHunter » 01 May 2019, four:45 pm

GojiraSteve wrote:Tin anyone else corroborate this? Seems at odds with the published info from the registry...

No offence to Chappo, but why are you seeking to confirm his give-and-take is right over what'due south published past Firearms Registry?

Seems like looking for a trouble where there isn't one, if you inquire me.

FAR says take it to a dealer and get it registered. Then OP, take it to a dealer and get it registered.

Easy :drinks:

by GojiraSteve » 01 May 2019, 4:45 pm

No1_49er wrote:

Ziad wrote:And that's is why y'all shouldn't enquire legal questions on online forums. Plus every state usually had dissimilar processes.

Best is ring up a local dealer or your land police firearm registry equally been mentioned and just all the question from them

The text in the quote above is taken directly from the NSW document, and OP is asking a NSW question.
I would think that phoning registry volition provide a reiteration of said document.
It is what information technology is.

I dunno 49er. On the you-will-come-unstuck calibration I reckon relying on the FAR's website being up to engagement is only a close second to relying on legal advice provided on internet forums.

I'd be talking to my LGS. He's the only 1 in the equation who's livelihood is dependent on getting the answer right.

by pomemax » 01 May 2019, 4:50 pm

Why practise people come on a forum and inquire questions similar this every bit their first post not Hi or anything .If he /she has a licence he should know this data or how to find out the correct information .You spotter another story in the papers about finding some old firearms

by VICHunter » 01 May 2019, 5:28 pm

pomemax wrote:Why practise people come on a forum and ask questions like this as their first post not Hi or anything .If he /she has a licence he should know this information or how to detect out the right information .

Why would he know this? They don't brand you lot memorize the unabridged Firearms Deed in your license safety course.

He'south taken reasonable steps to notice the correct data. He asked on a reputable Australian firearms forum, and he got provided an answer quoted from a FAR document. All perfectly reasonable.

What was the bespeak of your post exactly? Just to have a bitch about someone?

If all you've got to add is a harsh criticism of someone maybe keep it to yourself in futurity.

past Sergeant Hartman » 01 May 2019, 5:39 pm

Beloved the interwebs. Someone gives a decent and correct suggestion, Later two completely different answers from members and we get people going fully sick bro.

No1 mate I read his first post again, really I must be going bullheaded so I read information technology twice (later on reading it originally) where does he say he is from NSW. I am viewing it on a mobile so perhaps I missed something. Can you please tell me. Or maybe you can read the question correctly before going off your handle.

past mickb » 01 May 2019, v:53 pm

Always surprising folks upset why someone would ask such questions lol. It's a forum subsequently all an area of asking and discussing points and opinions. If it was just for referencing it would exist a library.

Get-go, good question op. Second, it seems well answered. I think regardless of state the constabulary take taken a viewpoint that it is easier for them, the owner and public safety they don't make it too hard for people to bring things in the books legitimately.

I thing the registries will do once either the police or the dealer applies to register the firearm is groundwork check the guns seriel numbers for any links to theft or crime. In the instance it was an old gun and you lot are reasonably sure he was not a gangster in the twenty-four hours y'all will be okay.

However if yous have just found a gun randomly or maybe your mate gave information technology to you lot ten years agone etc and y'all are using the deceased estate alibi be enlightened if it is hot you may take to reply some questions.

by Shrapnel 118 » 01 May 2019, 6:04 pm

BBJ, Chappoy, GojiraSteve, Ziad, No1_49er, VICHunter wrote:...

I called a couple dealers around NSW and both said information technology can not be registered without a immunity being in action. So I have ii main sources of data, one being the police websites PDFs which are dated September 2008 and the other being NSW Gun Dealers, that contradict each other so I am still at a loss.

VICHunter wrote:Why would he know this? They don't brand you memorize the unabridged Firearms Deed in your license safety course.

He'due south taken reasonable steps to notice the right data. He asked on a reputable Australian firearms forum, and he got provided an answer quoted from a FAR certificate. All perfectly reasonable.

What was the indicate of your post exactly? Just to have a bowwow almost someone?

If all you've got to add together is a harsh criticism of someone maybe keep it to yourself in future.

Thanks for the backup.

Ziad wrote:Dearest the interwebs. Someone gives a decent and correct proffer, After two completely unlike answers from members and we become people going fully ill bro.

No1 mate I read his starting time mail again, really I must exist going blind so I read it twice (after reading it originally) where does he say he is from NSW. I am viewing it on a mobile so maybe I missed something. Tin can yous please tell me. Or peradventure y'all can read the question correctly before going off your handle.

On the PC version of the website it says the state y'all are in nether each persons proper name.

mickb wrote:Always surprising folks upset why someone would inquire such questions lol. It's a forum after all an area of asking and discussing points and opinions. If it was just for referencing information technology would exist a library.

First, adept question op. 2nd, it seems well answered. I think regardless of country the constabulary have taken a viewpoint that it is easier for them, the owner and public safe they don't brand information technology too hard for people to bring things in the books legitimately.

1 thing the registries will do once either the constabulary or the dealer applies to register the firearm is groundwork check the guns seriel numbers for any links to theft or offense. In the instance information technology was an onetime gun and you are reasonably sure he was not a gangster in the day you volition be okay.

However if you have simply found a gun randomly or perhaps your mate gave it to you 10 years agone etc and you are using the deceased estate alibi be aware if it is hot you may have to reply some questions.

Cheers for your response, it was legitimacy institute on a deceased family members estate. Information technology should not take whatsoever criminal history attached to it.

by Chappo » 01 May 2019, 6:14 pm

I got my info from two lgs in the by calendar week as I recently had the same question as the op.

Given their advice I still retrieve it is incommunicable at the moment to have it registered in NSW but laws do change and some other immunity is possible.

Maybe the police cops need to update their website?

by GQshayne » 01 May 2019, vi:18 pm

One thousand'day Shrapnel mate i'm in QLD not to certain of your states laws but anyway I found myself in a similar situation a bloke constitute an one-time 303 in his shed afterwards being left information technology all in a will so he institute this rifle it was unregistered he asked me if I wanted it so I took it to my local police and told them what I was going to do with it so I was pointed in the direction of the gun store they done a notification of the rifle I think it's simply a check to come across if it was stolen and then they gear up up a PTA for that rifle they keep the burglarize until your licence or add-on to your licence arrives you take that in and collect your newly acquired rifle information technology was very simple just a wait for paper work hope this tin can aid

That is handy to know. I thought we had to look for an amnesty to practise this in Qld. How recently did you practise this may I ask?

by Chappo » 01 May 2019, 6:nineteen pm

Furthermore one of the lgs owners told me that if they suspected anyone of beingness in possession of an unlicensed firearm and so they had to study it to the police.

past Shrapnel 118 » 01 May 2019, 6:21 pm

I too chosen a QLD firearm dealer today to see what its like in Queensland and he said you simply just accept to just bring information technology in and get a PTA.

by pomemax » 01 May 2019, six:thirty pm

What if the firearms are unregistered?
Unregistered firearms, must be immediately surrendered to police. Information technology is an offence to
supply, acquire, possess or use an unregistered firearm - section 36(1) of the Act.
Yet, department 60 of the Human activity provides for an exemption to prosecution for the
offence of unauthorised possession of a firearm, provided the firearm is immediately
surrendered to police.
Following surrender of the firearms to police, an application may be made to the
court to let you, as a licensee, to register those firearms to your licence.
If the court allows registration of the firearms, you will need to make awarding for a
PTA for each firearm.
Licence and permit holders tin apply for a PTA a firearm online at the Service NSW
website (

http://www.service.nsw.gov.au

). A fee of $30 is required for each PTA awarding
(one application per firearm). Consideration of a fee waiver may be given if proof of
inheritance is provided. Approval for a fee waiver is adamant by the General
Managing director, Firearms Registry.
When your PTA has been issued, you volition need to arrange for a NSW firearms dealer
to take possession of the firearm from law to register the firearm. Y'all and so take
your issued PTA to that dealer who will authorise the transfer of registration
transaction and send the required information to the Firearms Registry.
A registration certificate volition be posted to you afterwards all the necessary paperwork has
been received and candy by the Firearms Registry.
What if I am the executor, ambassador and/or beneficiary of a deceased
estate and I live interstate?
Contact the Firearms Registry on 02 6670 8590 for further information
it take minutes to detect
This is all for the Deceased manor if the person responsible for the manor only handed you lot a firearm or you are non the e executor or ambassador of the manor or if they passed away more than vi months ago.
Might cause you a few problems if you only walk into a police station with it cause yous technically do non take a reason to accept said firearm. Just yous may notice its registered .

by Member-Deleted » 01 May 2019, 6:52 pm

CQshayne mate it was about 18mths or so agone or 2yrs ago at most I actually spoke to on this forum about it at the time about getting a 303 for $1 the oridinal owner passed away leaving his farm to his son who then gave information technology to his son who found the old rifle and the balance is history equally I said the gun shop done a cheque and I presume it was relayed back to the police to see if it was stolen or used in any thefts or murders I wasn't allowed to accept the burglarize from the GS until all the paper piece of work and licence improver was verified which took about iii-4weeks then I collected it from the GS afterwards showing them my licence and ok'd paper work pretty simple actually I can't see why they'd brand it hard for someone to have an unregistered gun in and either register information technology in their proper noun or just hand it in but getting caught with one is a dissimilar thing we don't seem to have all that tightness around guns upward here but we practise have to do things open and lawful if they notice any BS going on then they'll come up down on you lot similar a ton of bricks and make information technology very hard for you lot and then but information technology would be your own fault for trying to pull the wool over their eyes Now like I said I explained myself conspicuously to them and where the rifle came from and what I wanted and they were very helpful had I been dodgy I would have been sorted out quiet rapidly no fear of that

past GojiraSteve » 01 May 2019, eight:23 pm

pomemax wrote:Following give up of the firearms to constabulary, an application may be made to the
court to allow you, as a licensee, to register those firearms to your licence.
If the courtroom allows registration of the firearms, you lot will need to make application for a
PTA for each firearm.
Licence and permit holders can employ for a PTA a firearm online at the Service NSW
website (

http://www.service.nsw.gov.au

). A fee of $30 is required for each PTA awarding
(one application per firearm). Consideration of a fee waiver may be given if proof of
inheritance is provided. Approving for a fee waiver is determined past the General
Manager, Firearms Registry.
When your PTA has been issued, y'all will need to arrange for a NSW firearms dealer
to accept possession of the firearm from police to register

Jesus f***ing Christ! It'southward like they Desire people to ship said firearm across the QLD edge, drop it at a gun shop there, and adapt an interstate transfer through their LGS back home...
#thisisnotlegaladvice

past Chappo » 01 May 2019, viii:53 pm

Yeah information technology strikes me every bit odd that y'all now (seemingly) can't annals annihilation unregistered in nsw. Surely information technology's in everyone'southward best interests to remove illegal firearms from existence.

Aye I know you still can surrender them merely who wants to do that?

People are more likely to either hide them in the hope that one day they can annals them or like gorjirasteve said try to go around it by going interstate.

by Sergeant Hartman » 01 May 2019, 9:17 pm

Lamentable no1. Equally I said I am on mobile and country doesn't come up up.

by Chappo » 01 May 2019, 9:21 pm

Hey Ziad. I'1000 on mobile too and on my phone the state does come if you plow the telephone on it's side.

past on_one_wheel » 01 May 2019, 9:34 pm

Information technology'south in the police force force best interest to have people register unregistered firearms.

They know full well if they make it hard then they'll be more than "grey marketplace" firearms our at that place waiting to fall into the wrong hands.

I know that in SA the all-time manner to legalize an unregistered firearm is to take it to a firearms dealer. Just every bit previously stated earlier here.

Doing information technology asap is very important. I wouldn't desire to exist caught with information technology before you get the chance.

by duncan61 » 01 May 2019, x:08 pm

Very confident that Westward.A. has had an immunity for a long time.If y'all find an quondam 303 yous can get licensed for it.Now I am into target shooting I would merits its for service rifle

by No1_49er » 01 May 2019, ten:18 pm

Ziad wrote:Sad no1. As I said I am on mobile and country doesn't come upwardly.

No prob'

by zhuk » 01 May 2019, ten:24 pm

Wouldn't surprise me Chappo. I did it with my deceased uncle'south ancient air rifle because he wanted me to have it (no ane of his immediate family was licensed)

Simply so over again, an amnesty happened to be in force at the time..then what the dealers are saying is probably right. At that place has been at to the lowest degree a couple of legislative overhauls since 2008 and so wouldn't surprise me either if the online info is out of date.

past BBJ » 01 May 2019, 10:25 pm

Print out the doctor linked from the NSW Police site that says yous can take information technology to a dealer (just to cover your bases on that 1/1000 chance you got pulled over on your way there) and accept information technology to a dealer ASAP.

Done.

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